The Aircraft Registration Branch maintains registration records on individual aircraft and serves as a repository for airworthiness documents received from FAA field offices. I am probably am the only one who will answer that I like to go for the medical because if forces me to go to the doctor. A pilot might reason, for example, that the antidepressant he's taken for months hasn't caused any side effects and actually makes him more mentally fit to fly, a safer pilot. I got my ticket after age 50. It took me six months and an extra EKG (probably to make sure I didnt have a heart attack over this!) The information they request is typically a collection of recent medical records that address the concerns they identified in your application. ALTHOUGH IF I HAD ONE LITTLE INKLING OF BEING UNSAFE I WOULD QUIT. Today with the revolution in the medical diagnostic procedures, and early detection system and timely treatment most airline pilots will qualify and pass the medical exam if the questions were not leading ones. Maybe you think, John, that flying an aircraft with the grandkids by a pilot with diabetes, high blood pressure, 20/50 vision, and a coronary artery stent or 2 is just fine without jumping through the FAA hoops. He had diabetes. N Anymore stringent than the First Class Medical is now would end up grounding many older pilots. That question cant be removed from the form easily, so you have the option of clicking the box labelled International or declining to provide and leaving the field blank. You get caught lying on a medical, they'll do a lot more than just bust your balls. They are issued by states. I sure as hell would. FAA doesnt. Beyond criminal penalties and keeping your pilots license, there are many other reasons to be forthright with your FAA Aviation Medical Examiner (AME), but for now just as a thought experiment consider that you choose to falsify your medical certificate application. What I think is if a driver goes to the DMV to go get his eyes checked then that drivers license should be his medical as his third class and it would save the government money because there wouldnt be as many pilots to go after it would just be the professionals. No mercy from the FAA and I was not even allowed to go to a hearing I just got the notice of revocation one day and that was it. I would respect them more if they screened for problems and helped people cure them, rather than go over the hill with a knee jerk reaction. Question 17 can identify for the FAA that an individual is currently taking a disqualifying medication such as Adderall, Ritalin, Concerta, Strattera, etc, commonly used to treat ADHD. Counseling, HTN, whatever. A manager at a Fisdo reported to CAMI that an airman was on medication and had a long hospotible stay. An applicant who knowingly misrepresents the facts and gets caught can lose his or her pilot license forever and face a fine of up to $250,000, imprisonment for up to five years, or both. Some justify white lies by rationalizing they would just be wasting everyones time and effort by disclosing minor issues. By comparison, about that same number of deaths a year are caused by lightning strikes or even falling out of bed. So how many depressed pilots (especially those who do it for a living) are flying? But, it was not the fault of the FAA, it was mine for not verifying the doctors statement before submitting it. They will also review how your current application compares to the ones you have submitted in the past and your driving record. Thank you for the help. Again, take a look at the AME Guide on the FAA website. In reality, all pilots (no matter what their license) self-certify their fitness to fly every time they fly. :). waiting for them. So please just be honest you they are gonna find out about one day or another just like the case out in California back in 2005 for pilots lying about question 18y Medical disability benefits and many of them were in legal trouble. Your email address will not be published. I do medicals on two pilots who went on a vigorous diet and lost weight. In order to understand how likely it is the FAA would catch you lying, it is important to understand how they would catch you. People Lie to do what they love to do. I have read articles online about pilots who get caught falsifying their medical. 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We train for emergencies and stalls etc. I have to say, this doc was thorough, checked everything, but, when he saw that attachment with all that exposure, he looked at me in a way like what is all this. Of course people lie on the application, they want the medical so they can keep flying. Lets analyze how you got to a denial and what can be done to appeal the denial. What was yours for if you dont mind me asking. Let me start with a word of advice: DONT DO IT. In this case, you can cast doubt on the original diagnosis and attempt to avoid further evaluation. A trip to the pulmonologist to see if you have sleep apnea and subsequent CPAP will make you lose the ticket for a long time until you have jumped through very lengthy and expensive FAA hoops. Insurance companies now have a way out of paying the claim and if there were passengers or other property damage involved now lawyers get involvedsomething to think about! The process is so closed ,opaque, and bureaucratic. Why would I want to go through the unbelievable hassle of explaining myself to a bunch of know-nothing bureaucrats and internal medicine doctors who dont know their ass from their elbow about depression beyond some laughably simplistic characterization of the disorder in a diagnostics manual? That is approximately the same magnitude as deaths from lightning strikes, or falling out of bed (literally). I am working with a private party who specializes in this sort of thing and he cant really give me definitive answers either; just educated opinion and guidance. As the FAA put it, a pilot must ground themselves if they are unable to meet the requirements for the medical certificate.. , you can navigate the process efficiently. Irs Data Book, 2020. chances of getting caught lying on faa medical one of the medications used treat! The entire aeromedical FAA staff can go kill themselves for all I care. How Likely is it that the FAA will Catch You? See my other comment about getting a SODA. Many pilots get away with submitting false information on their MedXPress applications. We are equally desiring of our freedom, but because we are a small group, the bureaucracy can get away with it. In our experience, only a small minority of pilots actually try to maliciously conceal significant active medical problems. A simple clerical error!!! As a result, I had to take an EKG. I am working on my private pilot license and I was honest and admitted to an episode of seasonal depression treated with medication (which I no longer require or take). Told the truth, The FAA took my license. Risk is inherent in everything humans do whether they are operating a car, a boat, an airplane or a train. Requesting Medical Records. His response was that the FAA wanted to ascertain that I was aware of the disability and take necessary actions to overcome it, In this case to use other senses to monitor the aircrafts actions, i.e. Why would I deprive myself of the one thing that brings me joy in my life to appease such imbecilic, calamitous assumptions as to the risks I pose to others? Here in Italy Superman still dictates. The system is imperfect in many ways and should be fixed, I do not disagree with that. You wouldn't report your dad or grandpa if he had a serious medical condition that could endanger his passengers and he was lying about it? Information on the certificate will be populated from data that has been entered into the electronic form. Any law or rule, which is widely viewed by those subject to its enforcement as being unfair, unjust, capricious and arbitrary, because it has no basis in fact, will be disrespected and thus unenforceable. He was a commercial pilot flying 727s. The FAA has created an atmosphere that not only encourages problems to go unchecked and unreported, but actually makes some of those problems worse by discouraging pilots from addressing them, instead allowing them to fester. Since I asked to have myself tested for apnea, and found it was a problem, and now use a Constant Positive Air Pressure (CPAP) machine, FAA dogs me annually. The FAA as a whole believes all people should fly if they desire. Unfortunate as those events are, they do NOT cause accidents. That resulted in the rejection of my 2010 medical! It is strongly advised that you seek the opinion and advice of a qualified aviation medical examiner and appropriate medical physician for any medical needs you may have. How is that fair? I completely agree with you. Like everything els not all AMEs are created equally. Learn more here: thepilotlawyer.com/faa-medical/. My question is what are they doing in order to get caught. I dont know for a fact other pilots lie on their medical, but pretty sure some I know do. Driving While Impaired (DWI) from alcohol, drugs, texting and exhaustion is obviously a serious problem and every driver self certifies, there is no evidence in the National Traffic Safety Data Base, that accidents caused by preexisting health conditions and the medications used for their treatment, is a major problem. Took the FAA medical (stand on this leg, stand on that leg can you see anything out of this eye, can you see anything out of that eye). Gets Weekends Off . If you cant pass the physical you need to find another way to fly. Those are hard to fake. They will also review how your current application compares to the ones you have submitted in the past and your driving record. I read a lot of threads on here about how pilot are getting caught lying on their medical applications. I can get it back, but I have to go through a fairly extensive bureaucratic morass to recover it, then jump through extra hoops over the years to keep it. Thank you for the post. Didn't even think about it. Lie, definitely not. Office hours M-F 8:30am - 5:00pmOur Privacy No faxes or emails are allowed. What a great time you both will have. I have been screwing around with Oklahoma City since May 2010 and I still really have not made a very big dent towards my certification. Brian is absolutely right. Note, denial is different from deferral. But, sooner or later, most pilots will develop a medical condition that they cannot hide. Is the time and expense involved worth it? They are busy guarding the barn only after the horse is back inside. If say 10% are due to medical incapacitation, that would be 45-50 deaths a year. I have been flying for 39 years and professionally since I was 18. Bungee jumping. The regulations are not arbitrary. We all know that volume of cars on the roads vs. number of planes in the air leads to have to deal with more idiots on the ground. Still there are occasional exceptions where a commercial or airline pilot dies in the cockpit. by Paul Engstrom, Aviation Writer and IFA Member. Lets assume 10%, which is probably a high figure. At a certain point there is the issue of freedom vs safety. However, if you do get caught, at best you will lose your license. Have you EVER been dizzy? It's safer to allow people to self-disclose and get help, rather than non-disclosure and possibly flying impaired. And even if you assume not, an investigation will cause a demand to produce documents and then the liar is cooked. Discussion in 'Medical Topics' started by Globalpilot, Oct 6, 2018. Ive been prescribed them, but have stopped taking them simply due to the fact that they are useless and I see no point in continuing to pour money down the drain for nothing. I take my family on flights in my aircraft and there is no way I am going to put them at risk. I would be totally fine with an evaluation, but it sounds like a lengthy- expensive- and rather rigorous test that offers no gurentee to a medical. I reported controlled hypertension on my questionnaire. Im applying for a job where they train you to be a helicopter pilot. You never know what will happen to a pilot in flight with his medical conditions. Throwaway account for obvious reasons. When that syndrome is cured, much of what is wrong at FAA will be cured. Should that person be allowed to self-certified medically and carry as many as 5 passengers? But then how would all the AMEs and some people in the FAA make a living??? Someday you might actually have a problem you cannot hide. Takes the wind out of your sails. what tests you need, when you need to take these tests, etc) to satisfy the FAA that youre good to go. Yeah that is what I have been hearing. You had better not try to get on medication to calm you down and thus make you a safer pilot because you will no longer be able to fly. Moreover, there are strategies that will improve your chances of gaining medical certification legally and more quickly even if health is an issue. should not fly. Be careful that if you have seen your doctor and are responding yes to question 19 and your doctor diagnosed you with ADHD (or suggested that you had ADHD), you will also likely need to respond yes to question 18m. 11-06-2013, 09:45 AM #7 ackattacker. By now most of you know there are way too many federal employees standing around over paid and coming up with way too many regulations to try and justify their job. Also, if you are too young for that, they can check other insurance companies and, apparently, a company, McKesson I believe, that gathers and compiles statistical data from and for insurance companies. In my opinion the medical standards of evaulating pilots needs to be changed in light of new treatments. While a diabetic can develop hypoglycemic coma, a cardiac patient faint from an arrhythmia, or a patient become mentally impaired from an excessive dose of a medication, the real world evidence does not support that such incidences are common enough to recommend banning driving by those with such medical conditions. Auto correct makes illiterates of us all. They rely on that trust and the deterrence provided by the severe penalties at their disposal to preserve the integrity of the medical certification process. Bicycle accident deaths 700 Heres more information on the FAAs battery of neuropsychological testing: https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/avs/offices/aam/ame/guide/dec_cons/disease_prot/adhd/. He was convinced if he had the physical and they discovered something bad, hed have to admit it to the AME. I dont want to hide anything from him. Alternatively, upon 90-days of discontinuation of medication, you can potentially undergo the requested neuropsychological testing prescribed by the FAA. Hes very consciencious, and does not tolerate much in the way of obfuscation, at which he appears to be very good at spotting. ASMEL, CFII, AME, Hi, Im currently a student pilot I finally saved up the money to go after my dream. Simple you dont need to know and if you are scared to apply for you medical because your feared in getting caught. Google "Operation Safe Pilot." In a blatant violation of the privacy act of 1974 as amended, the FAA, DOT Inspector General, and SSA Inspector General, conducted an illegal database match looking for common personally identifying information (names and/or social security numbers) in the FAA medical certificate database and the SSA Title 2 and Title 16 disability databases of 45,000 Northern . Ill continue to go by the book until such time as the rules change, or I wish to no longer fly. I can understand, in the last 5 years, but most of my things are now 20 years old and I still have to report them-no change. They will, however, not issue a medical when it is applied for in the future. You said they can search, where do they find that information? This is a bit off the subject of lying on the 8500-8, but it addresses another approach to not requiring a medical examination for certain types of flying. I have thought about going Sport Pilot but if I am not healthy enough to pass tests for a 3rd class physical I am not healthy enough to fly sport pilot. Gradually, our freedoms are being taken away by government regulatory entities. Of those, only a very small % are from medical causes. If I dont tell him would the FAA find out if I never had another attack? Im depressed, so their answer is to tell me I cant do anything to fix my problem whilst simultaneously denying me something that significantly helps with my depression: Flying? I do not think that there is anybody who does not lie or has not lied at one time or another. Most get grounded for a year? Is the medical for safety or for what other purpose? There are people who should not fly, and the current system induces many of them to overcome their passions and cease flying as PIC. I didnt lie on my Class 3 medical, was a 55 yr. old student pilot, have since been told by several older pilots that I was honest but naive. I have been asymptomatic for all of those years and I am on no medication. On checking this I was advised the costs would be in the region of 600+. Both asked for, and received, removal of their Special Issuance. The absurdity of these medicals resides in the tiny number of casualties from medical incapacitation, compared to most other activities requiring no medical. There's also the possibility that the results of a blood or urine test will expose a condition you tried to hide. Sign up for our free email newsletter, packed with tips, tricks and news for pilots. I have been a private pilot since 10/05/2013 I know that the medical form is a self certifying process that can have good or bad risks but you never know what the FAA has access to since their a government organization/department. This is very disturbing to say the least, why bother imposing rules, laws or the like if there is no punishment implemented??? Theyre just scared something is going to happen in the air. Or have a child die and see a counselor of any sort. Last summer I went to get my 3rd class med. The information contained herein is meant for informational purposes only. Given how stress, marriage pressures, work distractions, fatigue and the hopelessly useless pee in cops cut, phony eye exam work, the self certification (which good pilots do anyway) and lack of medical accident experience with LSA, the fat, useless, overpaid FAA administrators should just go away in favor of drivers license. Regardless of whether or not you would get caught, a better question to ask is why would you try to get away with it? Im sorry to hear that. The best advice we can give you is to visit an aviation medical examiner (AME). But the feds harass pilots, not drivers, because they can get away with it with pilots but not with drivers. Find another AME. Duration of Medical Certificate Pilots who are age 40 and older will still renew a third class medical every 24 months. If you dont take a medication NOW, it does not need to be reported. You just never know, and even a thorough and honest medical will never catch anything. the third class should go away. 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